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Shoot: Multiple Children Poses

Will you sit and Dad, do you want to help me? Sure. Can you sit her straddling her sister? Sure. Alright. Woo! Woo! (children giggling) Good, just like that. Will you hold hands in the front? There you go, perfect. (camera clicking) Good. There we go, tilt your heads together. Like, and tilt your head this way. Good, right there, and look right at me. (camera clicking) Okay, now, What makes your sister laugh? Oh, do you see her eyes? She was like, oh. You, are you ready? Let's make her laugh. You wanna come make her laugh for me? (camera clicking) Perfect. And look right here. Kay, so, all right, so you... Watch out for me, I don't know what she's doing behind me. Watch out, her name's Iris. Iris is a little crazy. All right, let's see. (camera clicking) Elephant on top of your head! (audience laughing) (children giggling) (camera clicking) That's so funny. You're so cute. Okay, now can I have them switch? Can you put Phoebe in front? Yeah. Oh, she's, wow, that's ...

pretty good. Yeah, I think we might already have another one. That was really good. Okay, now will you put your head real close to her? Good, just like that. (camera clicking) Cute. And will you hold her hand in the front, but like, I mean, yeah, and put your hand on her leg? With the, take her hand, right there! Perfect, and will you hold her hand, too? Will you take your other hand, the other hand? Right there, perfect. And look at me. (camera clicking) Okay, now look at each other and laugh. Ready, look at each other! (children giggling) (camera clicking) Oh my god! And now look at me, quick! (children giggling) Look right here! (camera clicking) (children giggling) There you go. (screaming) A froggie! Oh my God! (children giggling) (camera clicking) I really... Let me see. (children giggling) Let's see. I'm gonna tell, I actually like thought that was a scissors and it went hard and I was like, oh my God! Like, I was actually freaked out. Oh, look at you guys! Look how cute you are. Whoa! (everyone laughing) (camera clicking) Okay, I just wanted to photograph that 'cause it's strange looking. (audience laughing) That was really funny. Oh, my gosh! (children giggling) (audience laughing) Look right here, quick! Look right here! (camera clicking) Phoebe, real quick, good. Whoa, don't strangle her! A froggy behind your head. (children giggling) Good. And look right here. Okay, good. Okay, so you wanna try something different? See the froggy in the woods. I like that. Of the froggy of the... Would you stand behind your sister? And she's gonna give you a hug. Can you give her a hug, but don't squeeze her too tight. Okay, now let me see your face. So scoot your feet this way, feet, feet, feet. Keep going, right there! Good, and now don't squeeze her too hard. Just soft, oops, gosh, don't, okay. Okay, and don't lean over. A little taller, little taller. Right, yeah, there you go. Right there, perfect. (camera clicking) And will you put your hand on her hand? Good. And look right here. (camera clicking) She's in there before, too. Look right here. Ah, might have to hide that from her. Let's see. Kay, look right here. (camera clicking) I don't know if anyone can see what she's doing. The second I click, she goes, ooh! There actually was... Lindsey there actually was a question from Sonia in the chatroom about whether using the monitor and the tether was a good thing or a bad thing, and it seemed like with Zoe it was really helping, but Phoebe it's more distracting. I would never tether with kids, 'cause it's another distraction not to look at me. With kids it's not like they look and say, "Oh this is what I want to fix," they look and say like, "Oh my God look at me!" It might be funny like what I'll do absolutely if I get a really funny photo I'll show them on the back of my camera, but that would be the extent of it. I was sitting on her hand. Oh were you? That wasn't very nice. Okay, ready? Alright, so I'm gonna have you guys face each other. Will you go swoosh that way? Good. Will you face her? Good. Do you want to put that leg on the other side too? So you don't fall, I'll hold you. Good, okay so scooch in real close. Real real real close. Good. (laughing) Good. Oh no! (girls squealing) No? Why, what's wrong? You okay? Good, alright good. (camera clicking) Good, that's perfect. Alright, let me see real smiles. Where's Iris? I can tell she's behind me. Relax your shoulder a little. Good good. (camera clicking) Now put your hand on her arm. (camera clicking) Oh, not going off. Good. (camera clicking) Oh! (girls giggling) Good. Make it go on the camera. (camera clicking) Make it go on the camera? (camera clicking) Make the elephant on the camera. You want to put it on the camera? Ow! Don't hurt each other. Are you like biting her finger or smelling her finger? She's licking me. She's licking you? (audience laughing) Okay, you wanna do a fun one? Like a really fun one? Yeah! Okay, here we go. Alright, ready? Stand up. Okay so, what I did is I had the older sibling in a stable pose, she wasn't going to move, and then I would go ahead and try to fit the younger one someplace comfortably, either in front or behind, so they have still like my anchor person. So I already got my anchor good. So I already got a shot, 100% for sure that I know the parents will like, they have their heads together, they were hugging, they were laughing. Okay, so now I can do something that they think is fun. Okay, I'm gonna have you both lay on the ground. I'm gonna move this though. Okay, ready? Both of you lay on your back. Thank you. Alright. Okay. (audience laughing) That's pretty good! That's pretty good. (imitating a car engine) (laughing) Wait, except for with you, can I grab your legs? Ready? Can I grab? And this way! (imitating a car engine) (girls giggling) Good, alright. So what I'm gonna do it I'm gonna photograph from overhead, on their back. I'm going to put them on their back. Okay, ready? I'll move you a little more. (giggling) Okay ready? You, what are you? Did you die? Okay. Alright ready? I'm gonna pose your hands. Will you hold your hands here? Good. You're okay! Stay right where you are, you're good. And will you pose your hands here? Hold your hands, quick! Hold your hands. Hey! How's it going? Okay, will you help me? Will you pull her this way? You want me to help? Yeah. Will you move her this way? Wanna get with your sisters? Okay, here we go, and we're gonna put this arm down. Okay good. My head hurts. You can hold hands, okay real quick. (laughing) Okay ready, everybody look up here! Everybody look up here, laugh! (girls giggling) Iris, you wanna come over here? Will you hold your sister's hand? Here hold... Oh hi, hi. Yeah, good, ready? And will you put this hand down for me, at your side? Good, hold your sister's hand, yeah. Hold Calliope's hand. Perfect. Alright ready? Everybody here, one! (girls giggling) (camera clicking) Look what she's doing to me. (laughing) She put an elephant on your head! She put an elephant on my head? Yes. (camera clicking) (girls talking indistinctly) (camera clicking) Oh! (giggling) (camera clicking) She's getting your hair up. She's getting all your hair up. Why is she doing that? (girls giggling) Are you making me bald? (laughing) (camera clicking) Okay good. (camera clicking) She's making you bald! Why? Why are you being mean to me? (laughing) (camera clicking) Good. Okay. So I got that, since I got that shot and she's still like agreeable, let's do something else. Will you sit up? Good, okay. And do you wanna hold onto your little sister? Do you want to hold onto Calliope? Wait, I'm gonna have Zoe hold onto Calliope. Lili pull up your pants. (laughing) Okay, take a seat, you can take a seat. You wanna sit with Calliope? Lili, sit down! (laughing) No? What... (girls talking indistinctly) What do you wanna do? Do you wanna go hang out with Iris? (laughing) I like this over here. Okay. Phoebe. Phoebe, do you wanna sit next to your sister? Just sit next to her. No not on her, not on her, just next to her. Okay, so what I'm gonna have you do, see what your sister's doing with her feet? Why is Iris playing with the scissors? Phoebe, Phoebe, see what she's doing with her feet? (laughing) (squealing) Are you trying to get my hair? Are you trying to get my hair? Oh my gosh. She's Chucky. Oh my God, she's really... She's really going for it. She's Chucky, she's being Chucky. Oh she knows Chucky, do you hear that? She goes, "She's being Chucky." You know Chucky? (audience laughing) Okay, wait. Wait. You can bring her over here, just make sure yeah... I'll take these two pictures, she can actually make them laugh. Okay, can you put your legs out to the side? Yeah, just like your sister, perfect. Perfect, just like that. Ahh! (laughing) (camera clicking) (camera clicking) And will you sit up straight? Can you sit up straight a little bit for me? Phoebe, just a little taller. Sit up a little bit taller. Good. Okay, I'm gonna try something different. I'm really tall. You're really tall. Okay, ready? I'm gonna give you something different. Can you do this? Can you put your leg like this? Are you? What is she doing to me? Can you put your leg that way? Turn, do this. Your knee that way, keep going, right there, good. Okay, and I'm gonna have you do the same thing. Whoa, I like it, it's cute. (laughing) Okay, I'm gonna have you go behind your sister. Phoebe, can you scoot that way? I'll only do a couple more. Alright ready? And tilt your heads together. Good. Ow! Oh, and will you put your hand on her hand? No just on her hand, right there, perfect. Okay, now look at me. And relax, you look stressed. Relax, soft, wiggle, good. (camera clicking) Not so much, back up a little bit. Good, right there. (camera clicking) And now... (camera clicking) Did you see your sister trying to cut my hair off? Yes. What was that about? (giggling) (camera clicking) (giggling) (camera clicking) (camera clicking) Oh is that, I thought it was your little sister again. No. No? (camera clicking) (girl responding indistinctly) (camera clicking) Aw. Okay, last one, you ready? I'm ready. Okay, gonna gonna do one more and then I'll give you another break, okay. Then you can go have some more candy. Okay, what I'm gonna have you do is can you put... Can you do me a favor? Can you put your knee up a little bit more? A little higher. Can you put your head on her knee? Like, yeah, whatever you have to do, just like that. And will you put your head on top of her head? Good. And will you fix the hair for me? And will you also take her leg so she's more comfortable, like on, yeah... You can just slip it, she'll be okay. We're just gonna make you a little more comfortable. Any specific tips for male photographers for doing posing with small children and or with young women? I would say this is exactly the same, it's totally fine, I'm not doing anything abnormal, and I'm just being silly. Yeah, I wouldn't change anything. The place where I would more worry would be for young teens like fixing hair or fixing shirts, anything where you have to touch, just have mom or dad do that. Okay, great tip. And then I honestly, I never touch my model, like even professional models I don't fix their clothing or their hair unless I've approached them and said, "Do you mind if I fix this?" Even if they're 25-years-old. Okay. Just like personal comfort and respect. But no, I wouldn't change anything. Oh I like that, that's a nice, can I get that picture? (laughing) Okay, I know the light room's not working but I just was gonna get that picture. No we're good to go actually. Uh oh, let's see if we can get the light, try this again. Wow you held that for a long... Wow. Can I see? Yeah, go look, go look! I wanna see, too! (laughing) Lindsey while they're looking at that... (laughing) Yes? Any thoughts on posing differently for boys? Do you do much differently when you're posing young boys at this age? Sure, okay, so for posing guys, I would do modifications that I would do for an adult male but I wouldn't do two hands, I would do hands in front. I wouldn't probably do on their stomach with their legs kicked up but I would do on their stomach, just not hand in hair, legs kicked up. So I would just make little modifications. I probably wouldn't do hands on hip, I would have them lean on a wall with their arms crossed. So it's really the same concepts, just doing a little less feminine poses, but that's about it. It's a lot of the same like how I would do sitting, and then laying down, and then on the little stool, that would all be the same. Can you hand me that stool real quick? Are you giving her a back massage? (giggling) I want a sister that gives me a back massage. Oh and actually put that back really quick, sorry. Will you guys scoot back and will you do just what she's doing? Will you get on your stomach for me? We're in that picture. I know, look at this picture. What is that? Do you do that a lot? Do you make people laugh with that? That's good, I like this. Make sure the camera can see that look. (laughing) It's pretty good. Okay, will you scoot back? Scoot back that way, choo choo choo choo choo choo. Good, perfect, and now squish together. Choo choo choo choo choo choo. Good. Perfect, matching eyeballs there, okay. Alright, okay. So now, would you put you hands down, like this, like on the ground? Perfect, but don't lay down kinda push up. Yeah, like this, see what your sister's doing? Will you do that, just like that? Okay perfect, look right at me. There you go, that's a nice face. And don't tilt your head back, tilt your head towards me. Good. And tilt your head towards your sister. Yeah, but do this, right here. Okay right there, yeah, perfect. (camera clicking) Okay, Iris you wanna do your work? (girls giggling) (camera clicking) Good. (camera clicking) And a little lower. Actually will you bite my camera, like over here? (camera clicking) (camera clicking) Oh my God! (girls laughing) (camera clicking) Good. (camera clicking) Perfect. And come right above my camera for me. And will you bite the lens for me? Like cut the lens? Cut the lens? Yeah. (camera clicking) Ow! Okay, nevermind. (girls giggling) (camera clicking) That doesn't work. Okay good. Uh-oh... (mumbling) And tilt your heads towards each other one more time. Just like that, and look right here. Look right here, look over here, look over here. And ready? Yeah. Look at each other and laugh! (girls giggling) (camera clicking) (audience laughing) (camera clicking) Okay, and tickle each other, go! (girls squealing and giggling) (camera clicking) Tickle time! Oh, kicking. Alright, kicking. Okay, you wanna give each other a hug? No! Do you want too hug her so you can make up? 'Cause that was, you just kicked her. Wanna give her one more hug? And then I'll wrap it up here. (girls talking indistinctly) (camera clicking) Alright, let me see if they do anything particularly cute. Okay good. Okay, you guys good? Yeah. Alright cool, so I'll give you a break. Do you think I could get Calliope out here to try one on her own? We'll see how she goes. You guys can take a break if you want goldfish over there or anything. You wanna take a rest? No. No? (audience laughing) Alright. I wanna take a picture with Calliope. Oh you do? Okay cool, alright good. Oh my gosh, what is this stuff over here? I like that. That's pretty cool. This is like a King Tut thing. So any questions on those type of things? So if I'm looking through this I have everything from more formal where they actually like have their heads together, to laying on the floor, to the three of them, to on their back, and so I just try to figure out who's being least agreeable and then just move them aside, give them a break, move them back in. Oh, hi. Hi. Calliope, come here! Hey. (audience laughing) Okay, here we go. Calliope. (camera clicking) (camera clicking) (audience laughing) What are you eating? Gummy bears! Gummy bears? (camera clicking) Oh, come here. Okay, ready? Can we bring that stool out? Let's see if... Will you sit behind it with your sister? (girl imitating animal) Okay, you can do that. Wanna go over here with your sister? He's biting you! You're gonna protect me? Phoebe! Ow, Phoebe! Ah! (girls giggling) She's protecting me, this is very nice. Do you wanna go put... You can bite me, okay, good. Will you go, Phoebe you wanna pose with your sister? Or I'll do one by yourself. Phoebe, Phoebe, wanna pose with her? Okay, make room for your sister. Wait, oh, I wouldn't do that. (girls giggling) Come pose, you wanna come pose next to your sister? What are you doing? Will you sit behind? Yum! Yum? Yum! Oh my gosh, oh no. (laughing) Right there? Okay, here we go. (camera clicking) Are you gonna... Are you gonna bite... No? Is he gonna bite me? Okay, put your hands down here, underneath your chin. Like this. Both your hands like your sister. Good, perfect. (camera clicking) And move closer together, good. Oh my goodness! Look! She's trying to get me. (camera clicking) (camera clicking) (audience laughing) (camera clicking) Biting the pocket wizard, alright. (camera clicking) A frog! (laughing) He's biting yours! (camera clicking) He's biting yours. Okay, thank you. "Okay, thank you," that's what she just said. (audience laughing) Do you want, okay. Quick, quick grab your sister. Okay, there we go. (camera clicking) Lili, Calliope! Calliope, hi. (Calliope laughing loudly) (camera clicking) (girls giggling) (camera clicking) He's behind you! Oh hi! (laughing) I didn't even see him! Behind you! Can I get the frog? Can I use the frog? Give me the frog. No. (laughing) Oh, no. Wanna give those to your dad? Alright so... No. No? No, no no! Phoebe, it's my turn. Okay. No it's my turn! It's your turn? For the scissors. Oh, okay. So do you wanna call your sister again? Lili! Lili. I think we might be all done with toys, guys. Hi. What happens if it really cut my hair? What would you do? I would tell people. Oh, okay. That is an interesting pose there. No it's okay, was just checking. (audience laughing) That was good. You wanna read her a story? (girls talking indistinctly) Okay, but I wouldn't sit like that. That looks really, really uncomfortable. (girls babbling) Okay, will you sit on the other side? It's my turn, no! No! Alright, so here's what I want to try-- How about one with Uncle Russ, can we get one with Uncle Russ? You want to? You want to give it a try? Let's do it, let's get him out there. They're asking for it on the internet. Okay. Alright let's try. (audience applauding) Alright Uncle Russ. (speaking indistinctly) Come on, baby. She's eating? Okay. You want, will you... And Russ, if you wanna sit on that and then try to put Phoebe, sorry Calliope in your lap? And then turn towards the light. Okay, will you put your hand on his shoulder over here? And will you throw the book to me for a sec? Wanna hang out with me for a sec? Thank you, thank you. Okay, Phoebe quick! Here we go Phoebe quick, yeah right there. Oh, and Russ turn that way just a little bit. Come sit in front for me. Zoe will you sit in front for me? Right there, and on your knees like this. Up high, up high like that. Good and scoot back, scoot scoot scoot scoot. Good, okay. And lean back, lean back towards him. Keep scooting. What's wrong? (camera clicking) Okay. Keep scooting, keep scooting. Keep going, go right... Right, keep going keep going. Good, right there, perfect. Oh, here comes that! (laughing) (camera clicking) Ah! (girls squealing and giggling) (camera clicking) He's biting you. Whoa, whoa. (camera clicking) Behind you! Behind you! Where? Are you saving me? (Calliope laughing) My hand! Let me see, that was weird. He's bite my hand. Come back with us, come back quick! We lost somebody for more snacks over there. Ooh, Oreos, yeah. Lili. Lili? Make Russ laugh. Go tickle Russ, go tickle Russ. Go tickle Russ. Oh no. Do you wanna tickle him from the other side too? Ready? Yeah, right there! There we go! (camera clicking) (Russ laughing comically) Zoe will you come over to this side a little more? Right there, and give him a hug. Good. Okay, now put your arm around him. Okay, Phoebe, get in real close over there, and we're gonna... Will you get closer to him? Oh, tickling his head, alright. Phoebe, will you move next to his shoulder. (Calliope squealing) Right there, right there, perfect. Okay, so I'm gonna try. You girls, you big girls, you stay right there okay? Both of you put your hand on Uncle Russ. You can put your arm up, put your other arm up. Put your right arm up, this one. Put it right here. And right on him like his arm. Will you... You can feel free to direct her. I don't know what you want. Oh will you just take her other arm and put it on here? Okay so I'm just gonna have you just see if you can get her to sit down. You can like... Let's see if you can twirl her around, make her giggle and set her back down, see if that would work. Okay, so hey. I need you girls, 'cause I'm gonna try to get your little sister to pose here, so I need you both to hold really still, okay? Right there, perfect. Scoot in a little more, put your arm on Russ's arm right there. Other one, other arm. Yeah, right there, good! Let's scoot in, scoot in. Okay, here we go! (laughing) (camera clicking) Uh-oh, belly! That's your belly! (laughing) (camera clicking) I got it. Okay, Phoebe... Phoebe... I'm gonna have to lose the... It's time to say cheese! Here, let's have daddy... Here, right here, right here. Okay, come over here, dad. (girls laughing) And pick her up for me, good. And pull her shirt down a little, good, right there. (giggling) (camera clicking) Good. (camera clicking) Good right there! (laughing) She's very wiggly! (laughing) Okay, that was good, that was great. Alright. Alright you guys. Perfect. (audience applauding) That was good. Okay, so I did wanna to try one thing, how is she doing right now? As long as she has that frog she's fine. Okay, perfect, so what I'm gonna end with for right now is I'm gonna try one shot of her. So she can keep her frog. She'll end up around here somewhere. Okay, did you hear that? (laughing) Eventually she'll end up at the... (laughing) Alright good! (camera clicking) Lili! Lili! (camera clicking) Oh I like that, that's nice! (camera clicking) Oh that's a good one! (camera clicking) Whoa! (laughing) I think that would have been a cute picture personally. Alright, let's see. Wait Calliope, wanna see you? Look at this. Look at you, look at you! (Calliope giggling) Look at this! Look at the picture, look at the picture. Do you see you? No he's upside down! No you're upside down! (laughing) You're upside down. Look at this, watch this. Look at that, look what he's doing to you. No... No? You wanna do another one? This one? How about that way, does that make sense? Can I see? Look it. No, he's upside down. He's upside down, okay. She uses he for almost everyone. Oh, okay, alright. Cool. Alright, so I got a silly picture of her, I think that would be good. If... Will you come and sit. If you don't mind I'm gonna try to do my final family photo, we'll just give this one more try. Great, let's do it. Let's turn sideways. Keep going. This side? Yep. Mom, will you come over next to him? Alright, let me see... Back? Forward. (Calliope imitating animal) Ow! What are you doing? Okay, actually can she sit behind you? Yeah. Yeah, will you sit behind him? Good. Okay, Zoe and Phoebe. Zoe and Phoebe, okay last shot. Okay? Yeah. Okay. Zoe, Phoebe... Phoebe wanna kneel right here? On your... Like sit right there? Sit like this. Just like this. Right there, right there, right there. Perfect, perfect. Put your elbow up on Dad's leg, yeah. Oh hey. A camera. Yeah, it's a camera, it's a nice camera. Okay, can I have you over on this side of Mom? And we're gonna attempt... Okay, put your hand on Mom's shoulder. Other one, good. Move in close! Alright, so, whoever wants to wrangle... This is why I put her first, because then there's no one to wrangle. Okay, here we go. Alright, so this looks good. Alright, you ready? Ready, Zoe? Yeah. (camera clicking) Come here, baby! (camera clicking) Will you get nice and tall for me? (Calliope babbling) Good, perfect, good. Will you put that hand with your other hand like this? Like this. Good, just like that is perfect. Okay. We're gonna try this here. And Mom, will you get really tall and lean towards him just a bit, and then shoulders a little bit towards me. Right there, perfect. Just like that, that's great. Okay, we're gonna try. Okay, okay. (camera clicking) Zoe, get real close. Good. (camera clicking) Okay I'll take it. (camera clicking) Oh my goodness! (Calliope squealing) (camera clicking) Okay, will you go and see if... Oh she's alright, she's alright. Right behind you! Where? Oh! (girls laughing) Alright, do you wanna go sit with your daddy? Right behind you! Do you wanna go sit with your dad? Come here! Well we're gonna try. Oh, we're losing Phoebe. We're losing Phoebe, we're losing her. She's jumping away! Will you scoop her up and put her on Dad's lap? We'll see. Hold on. Scoop her up. Woo! Oh no! Phoebe, you're doing good. Okay, and other knee. Other knee, here we go! And up tall, good, right there! Here we go, everybody right here! (camera clicking) Calliope, Calliope, Calliope! Calliope! Alright try to fix her shirt if you can. (camera clicking) Calliope! Calliope, you're missing the froggy! Where's the frog? You're missing the froggy! (camera clicking) Ow! It's right there! (laughing) We're missing Zoe over here, Zoe, look happy! (squealing) (camera clicking) Get right there! Okay, and Phoebe and everybody on the count of three, I wanna hear you all laugh. Big giggles, ready giggle! (laughing) (camera clicking) (camera clicking) Good, alright well, okay. So I know that I got a shot where she looked good. The rest of you all looked great. And so you wanna just frog off? That looks pretty good. Okay, thank you guys! That was perfect. You were an awesome model. Thank you. Professional, professional. Okay cool. (girls babbling) So that it way longer than I would ever make a portrait session. Ever. My portrait sessions were always two hours long, because I knew at some point during those two hours I could get somebody to be happy if they needed to like rest in the beginning or if they needed food. But I wouldn't drag on too long. And honestly as soon as I got a shot, I was like, "Okay we're safe, we'll experiment "'til people are unhappy," and then that was it, 'cause once you've lost them you've lost them. Awesome, woo-hoo. Yes, very exciting. Okay let's see if we have any questions here in the audience, yes, Lenzo. I have a question-- Yeah. Most of the time when you're dealing with kids and whatnot do you find it's easier when you say to do it on location? Do you find that location will be easier if it's at home or at their home? Or if it's somewhere in a neutral... So interesting, that is an awesome question, 'cause I had experience with both. I found that sometimes when it was at their home they were too comfortable so they wouldn't listen to me, because if they didn't have discipline at home they would just go crazy. Versus if you're out on location, usually kids are used to a little bit more stringent rules so they knew that they had to kind of listen to who the adult was, so I would say most of the time I actually had bad luck shooting at people's homes because they were way to comfortable. So I was talking like in a park or something like that, it tended to work better for me as long as we were someplace where we didn't have to worry about them, you know, running off the road, like I don't wanna be stressed out like that, but yeah, a tree, grass, that's perfect. Okay. Fantastic. So I would love it actually if you could kind of recap this because it was kind of madcap, it was kind of crazy, and that I think is pretty normal for a kid session. But let's talk about the principles that you're using as you're approaching each set up with the kids. Mm-hmm. Yeah, let's just have a recap. If I can recap the whole thing, I'll give you best case scenario but what really happens. Best case scenario which does happen sometimes, but I find that with like if there's a tiny baby, so they're not gonna wiggle around, and then like two 10-years-olds or a 10 and a 13-year-old. That best case scenario, what I would do, is I would pose Mom so that she looks comfortable. Pose Dad around her, whoever's youngest goes in Dad's lap, and then if there's one more I pose in a triangle, the next on I would pose in another triangle. And then add on, kind of varying like we did for the group shots. Then I would go ahead and I'd remove Dad and get pictures just with Mom, and then I'd pull Mom out and get pictures just with Dad. And then I'd see how everybody's doing. So then I would move Mom and Dad out and get pictures of the kids together, and then figuring out who's most patient, I'd have the most patient stand to the side and get whoever's least patient, the youngest, I would get shots of them alone, and then I would get shots of the next one, so I would kind of go in the progression. But I start with the group shots first because if I lose somebody I've lost them, so I might as well, and I can come back to it. So that's... I do group shots, then I start pulling people out, and then I'll come back to a group shot in the end so this is actually really realistic. Sometimes somebody was really stressed in the beginning and now they're all relaxed by the end of it. So I kind of do a circle like that. So the things that I'm paying attention to, and I don't know if you guys could kind of tell from that 'cause that was less teaching and more let me just see it and make it happen. What I'm looking for is, Mom and Dad good posture. I'm looking for little kids not straining, little kids not slouching. Ideally, their heads aren't all lined up in a straight row, but a little bit of movement to it. I'm looking for multiple points of interaction. Not just standing there like this, not just crossing their arms, but ideally a hand on at least somebody's shoulder so it's showing unity. If everybody's agreeable, it's tilting their heads together. So the first thing I'm looking for is building what I call having my foundation, I have my foundation person there and I build up around them and that's the things I'm going through, and then lastly it's expression there and those are... I like the shot of her doing the handstand, that was really cute. And Russ that is a very Russ face. I like that. And so what I would do, as well, is I would shoot a whole bunch and if I need to, I would go ahead and grab a face from another shot, that's not what I wanna do, that's like... I'm not really considering that, unless for I know for sure somebody is not happy and crying and so we'll just shoot everybody else and then try to really work on that one individual. But if you can get them all at once, that is by far the best way to do it 'cause nobody wants to work in post, especially for that long. And I also knew that when I was first starting out it was pretty complicated to do that, because if you changed your angle, it's not the same. So I would never rely on it. Make sure that you have something that would for sure be acceptable, because if you changed your angle or you changed your focus, you can't actually put them together. That was fantastic, thank you. And it was actually kind of funny because as I was sitting out there, I was thinking, trying to remember all the things that you had taught and trying to apply them to myself as I was like sitting up straight and actually using Calliope to block this right here. Well and not to be weird, but when I placed Phoebe in the front, I placed Phoebe in the front because his legs and his chest were kind of straight forward, but that's because he had to hold her, so I'm blocking, 'cause otherwise, the attention would go to you just because you're the adult, you're the biggest person in the frame. Definitely. So that's definitely something I would do, for sure. Yes, and so we thank you very much for this. Again, we know that this is outside your normal wheelhouse, but it is something that a lot of people do and you did amazing, so guys let's give a round of applause for the photographer. Thank you, thanks, guys. (audience applauding)