Subject Zone
John Greengo
Lesson Info
24. Subject Zone
Summary (Generated from Transcript)
The topic of this lesson is the subject zone in photography, which refers to the area in which the subject needs to be in order to be properly photographed. The instructor discusses how different lenses and focal lengths affect the size of the subject zone, and provides examples and calculations to illustrate the concept. He also gives recommendations for different types of photography and the focal lengths that are commonly used in each category.
Q&A:
What is the subject zone in photography?
The subject zone is the area in which the subject needs to be in order to be properly photographed.
How do lenses play a role in the subject zone?
The focal length of a lens determines the size of the subject zone. Longer focal lengths result in larger subject zones, while wider focal lengths result in smaller subject zones.
Why do professional sports photographers use big lenses?
Big lenses have bigger subject zones, allowing photographers to capture their subjects from a greater distance while still maintaining quality and detail.
What is the optimal size of the subject in the frame?
The subject should ideally fill the frame, but it is recommended to start shooting when the subject is about half the size of the entire frame to ensure a reasonable result.
How does the subject zone change with different focal lengths?
The subject zone becomes larger as the focal length of the lens increases. For example, a 400mm lens provides a much larger subject zone compared to a 24mm lens.
Is it better to use a bigger lens or get closer to the subject?
It is often better to use a bigger lens and shoot from a further distance, as this allows for a larger subject zone and more opportunities to capture the subject in the desired position.
What are some recommended focal lengths for different types of photography?
For architecture and real estate, wide-angle lenses are recommended. For nature and landscape photography, a wide-angle lens and a moderate telephoto lens are recommended. For travel, event, street, candid, and wedding photography, a range of 24-200mm lenses are recommended. For studio portrait work, a range of 50-200mm lenses are recommended. For sports and wildlife photography, short to long telephoto lenses are recommended.
Can tilt-shift lenses be used with mirrorless cameras?
Yes, there are adapters available that allow tilt-shift lenses to be used with mirrorless cameras. However, the availability of these adapters may vary depending on the specific camera model.
Lessons
Class Introduction
23:32 2Photographic Characteristics
06:46 3Camera Types
03:03 4Viewing System
22:09 5Lens System
24:38 6Shutter System
12:56 7Shutter Speed Basics
10:16 8Shutter Speed Effects
31:57Camera & Lens Stabilization
11:06 10Quiz: Shutter Speeds
07:55 11Camera Settings Overview
16:12 12Drive Mode & Buffer
04:24 13Camera Settings - Details
10:21 14Sensor Size: Basics
18:26 15Sensor Sizes: Compared
24:52 16The Sensor - Pixels
22:49 17Sensor Size - ISO
26:59 18Focal Length
11:36 19Angle of View
31:29 20Practicing Angle of View
04:59 21Quiz: Focal Length
08:15 22Fisheye Lens
12:32 23Tilt & Shift Lens
20:37 24Subject Zone
13:16 25Lens Speed
09:03 26Aperture
08:25 27Depth of Field (DOF)
21:46 28Quiz: Apertures
08:22 29Lens Quality
07:06 30Light Meter Basics
09:04 31Histogram
11:48 32Quiz: Histogram
09:07 33Dynamic Range
07:25 34Exposure Modes
35:15 35Sunny 16 Rule
04:31 36Exposure Bracketing
08:08 37Exposure Values
20:01 38Quiz: Exposure
20:44 39Focusing Basics
13:08 40Auto Focus (AF)
24:39 41Focus Points
17:18 42Focus Tracking
19:26 43Focusing Q&A
06:40 44Manual Focus
07:14 45Digital Focus Assistance
07:35 46Shutter Speeds & Depth of Field (DOF)
05:18 47Quiz: Depth of Field
15:54 48DOF Preview & Focusing Screens
04:55 49Lens Sharpness
11:08 50Camera Movement
11:29 51Advanced Techniques
15:15 52Quiz: Hyperfocal Distance
07:14 53Auto Focus Calibration
05:15 54Focus Stacking
07:58 55Quiz: Focus Problems
18:54 56Camera Accessories
32:41 57Lens Accessories
29:24 58Lens Adaptors & Cleaning
13:14 59Macro
13:02 60Flash & Lighting
04:47 61Tripods
14:13 62Cases
06:07 63Being a Photographer
11:29 64Natural Light: Direct Sunlight
28:37 65Natural Light: Indirect Sunlight
15:57 66Natural Light: Mixed
04:20 67Twilight: Sunrise & Sunset Light
22:21 68Cloud & Color Pop: Sunrise & Sunset Light
06:40 69Silhouette & Starburst: Sunrise & Sunset Light
07:28 70Golden Hour: Sunrise & Sunset Light
07:52 71Quiz: Lighting
05:42 72Light Management
10:46 73Flash Fundamentals
12:06 74Speedlights
04:12 75Built-In & Add-On Flash
10:47 76Off-Camera Flash
25:48 77Off-Camera Flash For Portraits
15:36 78Advanced Flash Techniques
08:22 79Editing Assessments & Goals
08:57 80Editing Set-Up
06:59 81Importing Images
03:59 82Organizing Your Images
32:41 83Culling Images
13:57 84Categories of Development
30:59 85Adjusting Exposure
08:03 86Remove Distractions
04:02 87Cropping Your Images
09:53 88Composition Basics
26:36 89Point of View
28:56 90Angle of View
14:35 91Subject Placement
23:22 92Framing Your Shot
07:27 93Foreground & Background & Scale
03:51 94Rule of Odds
05:00 95Bad Composition
07:31 96Multi-Shot Techniques
19:08 97Pixel Shift, Time Lapse, Selective Cloning & Noise Reduction
12:24 98Human Vision vs The Camera
23:32 99Visual Perception
10:43 100Quiz: Visual Balance
14:05 101Visual Drama
16:45 102Elements of Design
09:24 103Texture & Negative Space
03:57 104Black & White & Color
10:33 105The Photographic Process
09:08 106Working the Shot
25:29 107What Makes a Great Photograph?
07:01Lesson Info
Subject Zone
Alright, so we've been talking about lenses and angle of view and focal length and there's one more little bit I wanna talk about and it's something I haven't heard a lot of other photographers talk about and it's really important to sports photographers. How many people in here shoot sports from time to time, so action photography? It can be very important, and so there's something that I describe as the subject zone, and that's the area your subject needs to be within to be photographed. And so where do you need to be and where does your subject need to be and how do lenses play into that? And the idea that I wanna get across is that big lenses have big subject zones. And this is one of the reasons, not the only reason, but one of the reasons why professional sports photographers use really big lenses. Now, I have done a lot of photography of runners and with runners, you have kind of the option of shooting them when they're right next to you or much further away from you, on the tra...
ck, for instance. And so we wanna think about a situation where you could be any distance from your subject. Now, in many cases, you're not allowed to be that close, but let's just, in this example, think about, what if I could use any lens to photograph my subject? What would be the best lens? Alright? And so think about, you're at the finish line and a runner is coming towards you and you wanna grab a bunch of photos. Which lens should you use in order to take that picture? So let's imagine everything from a 24 to a millimeter lens, and as that runner comes towards you, what do you want to do? Well, you want to capture as many pixels on that subject as possible. You want to fill the frame with your subject, which means you should probably shoot vertical. And so obviously, a subject filling the frame would be a good shot, but how much earlier should you start shooting? Well, you don't wanna shoot when they're too far away cause they're gonna be too small in the frame. And where I think you should start shooting, in many cases, is when they are about half the size of the entire frame. That's where you'll get at least a reasonable result and then as they get closer, you can continue to shoot. And so when it's half the size of the frame, this is the back end of this subject zone that I'm talking about, and when they fill the frame, that is the front end of their subject zone. And so it's between these two lines that you want to be shooting your sports photos, because that's where you're gonna be getting the best quality images. You can shoot with them before, and you're just gonna have to enlarge them quite a bit. And you can continue to shoot, and I would continue to shoot, focusing more and more on the face to get kind of a crop shot, but if you are trying to get a full body shot, that's where it ends up being. And so that is what I call the subject zone. Now, when you shoot with a 24 millimeter lens, it has a very wide angle of view, which means your subject needs to be very close to you to fill the frame. And where does the back end of the zone go? Well, because of that wide angle of view, it's not very far back, so there's a very short distance between the front and the back of the zone there. Let's change up to a 100 millimeter lens. It's a little bit further from the camera, but the back of the zone moves significantly further back because of that narrower angle of view. When you use a very long lens, a 400 millimeter lens, you're much further from your subject, but the back of the zone extends much, much further back and gives you a much larger zone in which to work with. So, 24, 50, 100, 200, 400, which lens should you use? Well, if you were to shoot with a 24 millimeter lens, I can calculate and I have calculated how big that zone is going to be. It's only 1.25 meters. Now, the interesting math here is very simple. When you double the focal length, you double the size of the zone that you are in and so the bigger lenses are gonna give you more room in which to shoot your subject if it's going to be in that subject. And so as we get out here, each one doubles the entire area that we were working with in the previous one and when you get up to a 400, you have a very large zone in which you're taking your photos. Now, let's take this a step further. A runner at 25 kilometers an hour, which is a real fast sprint for a runner, that means they're covering one meter every .144 seconds, okay? Now, I can then calculate, how long are they in the zone? So if you're standing on the side of the marathon course and they're running by you, how long are they gonna be in a good position for you to photograph? And you can see that they are gonna be in position with the 400 millimeter lens for a lot longer. Let's take this a step further and calculate a camera that is shooting at 10 frames a second. How many shots do we get to shoot with our subject in that frame? With a 24 millimeter lens, you get one shot and I hope that they're in the right position and they have a good facial expression because that's your one and only shot. With a 400 millimeter lens, you're gonna get 28 opportunities to shoot a photograph that might have all the elements working for it just right. And so, a lot of times, sports photographers are just regulated too far off on the sidelines because that's where they have to be. But sometimes, in different types of sports, might be bicycle racing or you could be shooting volleyball and it's kind of a casual match and you're right there next to them, and so you could be a variety of distances from your subject. And so let's go to the side of a field here. So let's just say you're able to get right on midfield and photograph with a 50 millimeter lens, you're only photographing people and things that are happening right around you. You got yourself a 500 millimeter lens, you can cover about half that field in front of you. Anything that happens in there, you're gonna be able to cover somebody moving around doing something. So a number of photographers will work with something like a 500 and a 70 to 200, and that covers a huge swath of that field. Those big lenses have really big zones. So at a big cross country meet, I don't have a zoom lens, this is a all a fixed lens, but I can get a number of photos in a row where I'm capturing everybody head to toe and I'm not moving position at all. And what I've found, at least with runners, is that there's a lot of good and interesting moments if you're able to shoot a whole bunch of photos over a couple of seconds, because in a couple of seconds, there's a lot of changes that happen. People will look down at the ground, and then they'll look back up and then they'll have a funny facial expression, and it'll be gone a tenth of a second later and this just gives you the most opportunities for getting interesting shots in a short period of time. And so in many cases, it might be better to move further back and work with a bigger lens rather than getting forward. It's just one of the factors that play into this. And so the subject zone is the area your subject needs to be within and so that is gonna end up being a big lens. So as we end up our talk on angle of view and focal length here, one of the things that you can do when you talk to a photographer or you see a photograph that you like, you might ask them, "Why did you choose that lens?" And here are the types of answers that I expect that you're going to get. "It was the right lens for the subject," which means it had the right angle of view, it had the right depth of field, it had the necessary light gathering ability for that particular situation. I've found that myself, if you asked me about a lot of the things that I shot, I would probably say, "It was the only lens that would work." You know, this is how this subject has to be shot. There's only one tool that solves a problem and this is the one that solves it. The one that you won't hear me answer, and I don't think you'll hear from anybody else, is, "I was too lazy to move." And I know some people, they get zoom lenses and they're like, "Oh, good. "Now I don't have to move forward and back. "I can just zoom the lens back and forth." No, no, you need to keep moving forward and back to figuring out where the right point of view to view your subject is, and then the right angle of view for what you want in the frame. So this slide here will show you what lenses I like to use. Now, this is just me, this is personal, but I think it's interesting to study what you do and how you shoot. And I told you, I like the 24 millimeter lens and I have evidence here that I do tend to use it a lot. But when I did this, I was surprised at how much I shoot with a short telephoto lens, and I am not a portrait photographer. I love shooting portraits from time to time and I enjoy that but that's not what I do for the most part. But that is really easy to get a lot of good shots with the short telephoto lens. Getting good shots with a wide angle lens is hard because you need a lot of stuff to look good in front of you. Right now, from right where I'm standing, if I had a 400 millimeter lens, I could pick off a lot of nice little shots, but with a 24 millimeter lens, I'm gonna be a little bit harder to figure out, there's only gonna be a couple of shots with a wide angle lens from any one place. And so when I walk out the door with a 24 millimeter lens and a 100 millimeter lens, I'm gonna be able to do a lot with that. If I go out with a 24 to 70 and a 70 to 200, that's most everything I might need and only in those extreme cases do I need to go down to 11-16 or 400 and 800. Now, the numbers that I have been talking about in this class are just some kind of nice, even increments of focal lengths. 16, 24, 35, 50, and so forth. But obviously, there's a lot of other focal lengths and if you have zoom lenses, you can stop anywhere you want in between. And so I encourage you to play around with your lenses and keep note of where you like to shoot them. Maybe, if you shoot photos at 28 millimeters a lot, maybe someday you should get a 28 millimeter fixed lens just so that that one lens you know is something that you can work with and be very, very happy with. Now, a few of my favorite focal lengths for different types of photography. For architecture and real estate, you're gonna need something wide angle to be able to show those environments. You probably don't need anything much in the way of telephoto. Now, I will have to say right now on my recommended focal lengths, you can absolutely use things that are way outside of what I recommend, but if you're into this type of photography and you want to think about, what do I need to cover the basics? This is what I think you're gonna need. Nature and landscape is a pretty diverse set of things that you're gonna want, but you need a pretty good wide angle and at least a moderate telephoto in there, 14 to 200. This is most of photography in my mind. Travel, event, street, candid, wedding, the 24 to 200 range. That's the default numbers that I give for most people as what size of tool kit do I need as a photographer? If you're working in the studio, doing portrait type work, 50 to 200 millimeters, you just don't need a lot of big range in there. Shooting with sports, I've shot fisheye sports and wide angle sports, but for the most part, you're dealing with short telephotos to fairly long telephotos, depending on the type of sports. And when you get into wildlife work, there never seems to be enough focal length for that and so 200 all the way up to 800 for that and this is where I would want to make sure that I have those lenses if I am shooting that type of work. You can absolutely go outside of these recommendations and start getting a different, more unique look, which is perfectly fine, cause photography is a lot about options, but this is gonna get you covered on the basics of what you would need for different types of photography. I just want to know if, by any chance, is there any adapter for the mirrorless cameras to the tilt and shift lenses? Yes, it depends on which mirrorless camera you have. And which one do you have? An A7 Sony. Sony A7? So yeah, so for instance, Metabones I know is one company that there's a number of companies that make adapters so that you could use Canon, potentially even Nikon ones, I use a Sony camera from time to time with a Metabones adapter and Canon tilt shift lenses and it's a very good combo because you have the electronic viewfinder. It's manual focus, but you're able to zoom in, check focus, and it works really, really well. And so yes, you can get adapters for the Sony A7. For different mirrorless cameras, it will depend. Right now, full frame cameras have a lot of options when it comes to tilt shift lenses, relatively speaking. When it comes to the crop frame, not as many options. The micro four-thirds doesn't have any direct lenses from Olympus or Panasonic, there might be some that you could adapt to it, same thing with Fuji, they don't have any direct tilt shift lenses, there may be some that you could adapt to it, but it gets a little sketchy on how much information is transferred, so it's not as smooth and as easy to operate. Just to clarify, John, in that last slide, you were giving focal lengths and for the full frame camera, is that correct? Yes, that is correct and that is because it is the gold standard and and I don't want to have to get focal lengths in all the different ones, so we just go with full frame and it's up to you to do the math to figure out what that really means for your camera cause you know what your camera is, I don't.
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