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always the other (the crit)

What was last night? Like, what was it like? Working on it? Fun. Hard torture. Well, not really torture, not torture. Just the idea kept going in my head. Then I just slept for like days. But as soon as I opened up, it was still, still there. Probably dreamt about it. I just don't remember. Good, good. I'm glad. Well, first of all, I'm glad you got some sleep. You had a trip getting here. Um Excellent. Yeah. No, that's the process, right? I love it when I have those dreams where I, you know, I like, I often have dreams where I wake up and I've been to a gallery show and I, and the work on the wall is so amazing and I wake up pissed and we're like, fuck. That was so nice. Then I go, oh, wait, I made that right. Um No, sleeping on it is really important. It's a, it's a great, most people are like, I'm gonna snort coke and stay up all night. No, that's a waste of time. That's just going right. So, um so good. You slept on it. Uh But the, but the idea is maintained. Yes. Cool. Then in the ...

morning I just took a walk around here and, uh, just, I tried to look at it at it other ways around and when I just sat here, uh, I just focused on the last idea I had before I left school. So I just thought about it for hours and hours. But the best idea was just the one I had right here. So that's what I thought we had some great. I, I really enjoyed those little one on ones yesterday. That was, I thought that was very profitable. I thought those conversations were great and something else I wanted to mention to you all because it's gonna come up because I'm looking at it going. Oh, here we go. Um, here comes the Grim Reaper. Um, it's called the good mistakes. That's part of this process is for you guys to make the good mistakes. Right? Look at you, all guys are like, oh, what did I do? Um It's, it's the good mistakes, meaning that the mistakes that are gonna come up with the, the mistakes, uh, we'll call them that are gonna come up are a cliche, meaning those are, that's the kind of thinking everybody does, right. I've given assignments before where I've given it to 20 students and I've got four that come up the next day and they bring me a roller coaster like the image of a roller coaster because life was open because, uh, the assignment was called um, um, life is. But, um, life is but a span from the, from the, from the nursery rhyme life is, but a span meaning life begins and ends and that's it. Um, but what I get is like out of 20 people, I get a quarter of them or 1/5 of them are a roller coaster which means the good mistake is, that's the idea my mom can come up with. Right. That's a knee jerk. If I say, oh, life is, life is, life is but a span it means you change like 00, like a roller coaster? Oh yeah. Ok. Yeah. And, but you don't stop there. It's, it's the knee jerk that happens. So that's, that's an example of a good mistake. And the fact that four people came up with it in a class of 20 means we gotta think a little harder means we gotta get a little bit more particular, a little bit more personal, right? Ok. What was it like? Uh that was uh so fun. And um after 1 to 1 on one, I really uh like thank you for sharing that concept of uh having an opinion because uh what I learned from uh my art school that the good image has to have a conflict but conflict for me was too abstract and a little bit aggressive. So I, I knew good pictures should have a conflict. But what is a conflict? It's like I I don't know, it's a conflict but opinion. I know what my opinion is like, I can express it and um the idea that a good image has an opinion is an opinion. It's a very like eye opening idea for me. So uh in, in uh yeah, that changed my process yesterday because I started thinking what I, how to, how to express my opinion, basically, not how draw, how to draw a fun picture, but how to express my opinion. Very cool, very cool. Matthew, talk to me. Uh My process, I felt like I was going in about different directions. Um Again, from, um from talking with you yesterday, I know that I went really deep and personal with my dad. But then when I got back to my hotel, um I kept thinking about this trellis out here and like the criss crossings and stuff and I was like, oh man, always the other. I don't know, I had no idea where I was going with it. So, but I just drew and drew and just started writing words and like writing concepts until three hours later after I put it aside and I was like, let me watch some HBO and then I came back to it and I was like, oh, but I felt what you were talking about with like the knee jerk cliches that like mom would say like those were things that were popping into my head. So I was like, how can I take that and make it mine? So that was kind of what I dealt with until about midnight. And then I went to sleep and then when I woke up, the final piece of what I did popped in my head, I was always coming over here. So it was stressful, exciting, emotional fun. It was great. Cool. Um The work notwithstanding that explanation of the process, Nama stay, I see. You think the seeing in me sees you. So yeah, that was awesome. And that is the process. Yes, to identify the knee jerks to identify the roller coasters. And then go, I think I need to go a little bit more, deeper, more, deeper, deeper, more is more deeper or is deeper enough. I don't know. It depends on the circles. Ok? Ok. You can go more deeply into the make up your own words to answer. And as I used to say all the time, it was like, like, like if, if something came up in, in, in class, a really good idea, it would come up in class, I'd say, oh, by the way, that's mine, I'm writing it down. It's going in the book. Ok. So fuck off, I made that up. Um So yeah, groovy that process is it. That's, that's, that's great. The, the fact that you can start that, that you've got that and you've done it once that's important, that way you can, that you can free yourself because this is all about creative freedom. I didn't know I freed myself though until you told me I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, funny you should mention that the poet Rumi uh says, why do you stay in prison when the door is wide open? Right? You there was a heavy sigh here, right? We know. We know. So, yeah, you are free. Um Thank you for that Sonia talk to me. So, um, I always have a hard time with the process. I have the hardest for me is like the meandering and sitting in it, you know, and because I always have this idea, it's like a waste of time. Let's get to it. Do it now. Very finished, you know, clock is ticking. Money is. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was like almost this pressure and just like being in it because like you were talking about that little graph of, like, you're just like meandering and nothing's really coming and then all of a sudden, um, you're like, oh, wait, wait, wait, I think I got something and I was like, no, it's nothing and you keep on going, keep on going and then you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, oh, nothing. And it just, and then eventually get there, you know, but you have to be comfortable with being uncomfortable through it. And I, I'm constantly trying to be comfortable. But I think if I let go of that, then I get to my idea. That was funny because you said comfortable. How are you doing? I'm comfortable. And that process, we talked about this in our one on one, we talked about that process of like it goes like this. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I have something, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, oh, no, there's something I'm thinking. And I was, and I was, I was, I was illuminating this with Sonia and she's like, oh, yeah, I hate that. I'm not a fisherman. I'm not a fisherman. No, you won't. You know, fishing is like we were talking about that at the cafe this morning. But we are all, we're like procrastinators for sure. We're best under pressure. But it's so unhealthy for me. It is so unhealthy. It is. So, and here's the truth. Getting com with that process is important because you'll just get better at it. Yeah. Like I go through when I'm working, I come up with all the ideas my mom can come up with and I come up with all the ideas everybody else can come up with and I, my job is to come up to come from a place where only I can do it. Right. Um, but I do the iterations. I do the, I go through and I do the million ideas. I just do them suffer as in my head. Like, right, only when I really sit down to draw is the good stuff I don't draw the, they're just like, how about this? How about this? How about this? How about this? It just gets, it gets faster. Right. You just get better at it, it gets quicker. So pray for that will do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it, it does, it does, it does because, you know, we're just, we, we're unlearning, we're unlearning so much. Right. You're a teacher. I know. I've, I've worked with so many teach, teachers who have come to me and they teach from the book and I'm like, baby, no, there's nothing in the book. There's nothing in the book teach from here. That's where the good stuff is. And it's hard to trust that and it's hard to let go and think. No. But, you know, I need, I need, I need rules. We, we search for rules, right? I need rules. I need permission. I need like, no, you got this and the sphincter of truth is um a tool, a device that we use to um make sure that our communication is strong, right? And in order to communicate, we have to basically have a shared reality. So the sphincter of truth is taking these ideas that we come up with the story line that we wanna go with and we have to put it through the sphincter of truth and see if it comes out clean and by doing that, what we're doing is we're, we're checking precedents, you know, has this story been talked about in poetry or literature or movies or, you know, is it, is it, is it believable Sonia? Ok. Uh, I wanna pick the third one. Yes. That, yes, the 2nd, 2nd 1. Second, second one. Yes. Ok. Talk to me. Um, I think that was interesting. So, what I see is like all these people are there but they don't see each other. Like, they don't seem to, like you have two people facing away from each other and the third one has headphones, not even present. It's probably not even listening to whatever everybody else is listening. Like it looks like they're at a club or something like that, like a bar or show. And I feel like the other is represented in two ways, like the guy with the headphones or a person, I guess. And then the sunshine because I see that character of the sunshine, like they're sh shining so brightly they're like the, you know, that other person, you know, like the holy one. So they have talent, unprecedented talent that nobody else has. And, but I don't know, I think it's interesting that everybody's turned their back to this, to this thing. Yeah. They're not even looking at, like, so, so they're not paying attention to that. Yeah. Yeah. What is that? They're not seeing, maybe they're not seeing the person for the talented person they are or the, the amazing capability that they have. So this is the vehicle that's affecting or not affecting these people. Ok. I don't understand. There's something in the middle, there's like a talking bubble and apparently they're all talking or like maybe gossiping. I don't know. Oh, interesting. Um, that's fascinating because that is one of those little tracks in the snow that we need to. We need. I'm curious, I'm curious, man. I need to know what that is, you know, because if we don't know what that is, we might be lost, that might be, that might be, you know, it's like, it's like watching, uh uh you know, seven episodes of a TV show and going, I don't get it. What's going and then somebody goes, oh, remember in episode three? Mhm The pot of gold like like, oh, that was important. Oh, shit. Right. If you, you miss that. So that's curious and you're also curious about that because you don't know what that is. And like now the faces are happy. None of them are happy. They have uh almost like a flat face like uh like a dissatisfaction maybe or indifference. Ok. Cool. Especially the one on the left that I got almost a frown. Cool. Uh Matthew. Um I love this one. this, this reminds me of walking down the street in New York City. Um The, the always the other thing for me is that everybody is doing their own thing beating, you know, the, the Sunshine dreads, whatever saxophone player is doing its thing. Uh, you've got the person with the headphones on, you know, probably jamming out to maybe something that, that person might jive to, but not necessarily at the same time. And the other people, I don't know if they're talking or humming or, you know, dancing. Um, but it's just like, there's, there's that feeling of like, oh, I wanna be like that saxophone player and I'm the other, I, when I walk down the street and I see someone singing, busing or whatever, I'm like, I wish I had half the cojones to do that. Just not give a crap, put a hat down, just bust it out. And I always stop because I think it's the most fascinating thing. So from the perspective of if that's an audience or even if it's just on the street of New York, someone might pay attention, but that person doesn't give three shits, they're having the best time and everybody else maybe, hopefully somebody's gonna pay attention. But for me on the outside, if I was part of that audience, I would be like, oh, he's that guy. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. Uh Raphael. OK. I see like a cartoony virus. No sunshine. Oh I also see like people walking down the street but for me, it's like a virus like and like go back now. Who said, who said, who said roster hair? I said dread so much of that, you know, accuracy helps, right? So I, I go back to what we were talking before. Like there's always gonna be another thing last year. It was this next year it will be another and another. So I have to go to work. So let's just keep walking down the street. I am also curious about that little thing in the middle that I also thought it was some kind of thought bubble. But I don't know exactly. I don't know what this is. To me it looks like this is possibly a joint voice balloon, like a voice balloon coming from two different places. And it kind of looks like when you're, you text texting like the dot dot dot Reference, I'm not sure. Um And yes, I'm drawn to think that that's COVID. It's not so not the sunshine. Ok. Right. Um hm I am also curious about the, the saxophone because I, I really see him like having a blast. Like who cares? It's his day. It's my day. It's my thing and I'm here. If you're not listening, I'm not going away again. So what you're pointing to is what do we pay attention to? How much significance is this or that or the other thing? How much significance is that, that he's enjoying himself? Just closed eyes just like jamming, right? Or how much significance is that? Or how much significance is the fact that they're, you know, their smiles, all these things that we need to this hierarchy of information. Like what do we look at first, what do we look at second? What do we look at? Third? What do we, I remember um I learned so much, you know, you do something long enough and you just fucking get really good at it. Just practice, practice, practice, practice and we're beginning to practice here, right? I want you guys to unders to, to, to, to learn this process and just keep, you know, keep chewing through the cliche in your life and getting to some fascinating fucking places. Um But I remember I was at a bar, it was a opening of a uh a small theater piece that I had worked on, right? It was outdoor theater. Uh and it was Shakespeare as a matter of fact. But um I said there was a bar, a party at the bar and I'm hanging out and I'm drinking, I'm talking to this guy I'd never met before and he's like, he's, he was like, oh, no, I really love that show, blah, blah, blah. And I said, you know, how did, how did you come about get coming here? He says, oh, you know, I'm an old friend of uh Scott Cargo and Scott was the, was the director and the producer of the, the, the theater piece. And he says, yeah, no, II, I was, I happened to be in New York and I'm walking along the street and I see this poster across the street and I stopped and I, he says, I went across the street to look at it and I, he saw, he said, I saw Scott's name. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, back the fuck up. You saw a poster across the street and you won, you stopped two, you cross the street. Three, you search for information. You found Scott Carle's name. Four. You went to the fucking show. You're blowing my mind, right? And I like literally grab them by the lapels and I'm like I did that to you like, right? I did that made you stop. Made you cross the street, made you search for information. Made you go to the show. This is what we do, but it's that hierarchy that's really important. We have to understand and here's a hierarchy. You can put a big, huge thing up there and it doesn't have to be clear, it can just engage curiosity, right? You can just get someone to stop and so they go look and maybe the whole fact, the whole point of their entire, this entire thing that I have no idea what it is on this big huge piece of paper is that I'm gonna get curious and go, what the fuck is this? Oh There's a logo. Let me see what that says. Oh wow. Enters through the eye explodes in the brain, right? That's possible. And it's actually better and spoon feeding people because they look across the street and I'm like Oh, I got it. Right. So, something to think about, there's no, um, satisfaction and like, if it's a riddle, like thing, you have, like the sense of discovery. Like I, you know, I found it. Yes. You know, there isn't that if you just spoon fee people and you've been given the benefit of the doubt for knowing your butt from a hole in the ground the author has given and the client has given you the benefit of the doubt that you are a smart human being and I trust you. But what most people do is they want everybody, they want everybody. They want a huge freaking audience, but that's not your audience. It's just an audience and there's a difference, there's a difference. You want your audience, it's gonna be less people, but they're the ones who are gonna come back. They're the ones that are gonna support you. They're the ones who are gonna like, they're the ones who are gonna buy, right? But from your authenticity, from your vulnerability, that's how we find our audience. That's how we find jobs and clients. That's how we find the love of our lives is by being that right? But lots of things to pay attention here and we have to figure out which ones are important. Take it away. Got you. Wow, guys. Uh How, how, how, how was that amazing? Tell me, how was that experience of people talking about your amazing, I'm just, I feel very bad. We had a conversation about cliches after I finished this piece because I went for cliches here and uh I see how they just don't work when you like. These cliches obviously are not familiar to you. Like, you don't read it. Like I made million drawings over the pandemic of COVID for like for work. And I use this little guy every single time and the audiences read it as COVID and I went away with it. But do you didn't figure it out? And uh what I tried to like, tell you with this image just didn't make any sense but like, I totally love the day of sunshine. I wish I thought about that. And um your feedback gave me the idea. Like, what if I didn't use this, like cliche COVID thing? What if I try to do something different? Like viruses are different. They're like fuzzy. They can be, I don't know, like a bubble something, I don't know, different shapes. I could go with whatever that can be uh red as like uh I don't know, bacteria or something. There are so many things here. There's so much good stuff here. First of all, the pro the good mistakes. Thank you. Um And the whole idea of like, oh my God. Yeah, cliches, right? Um You and I were talking in the one on one and you were, it was a COVID conversation about like, you know, do we all just like it's just gonna be another and another and another and do we all run and hide or do we just go, hey, this is what it is. Let's get closer. Right? I, when, when you were talking I thought, oh, fuck, you know, what would be awesome is that it was the sun, if it was just the sun and everybody's going about their day, you know what I mean? Because, because then what you're doing is you're kind of using the sun almost as a metaphor for COVID or the other way around. It's like, it's like Winnie the pooh. Right. You guys know Winnie the pooh, the, the bear and, er, and all this stuff, the fact that they're animals is not important. They're all, they're all characters in the Greek drama, dramedy, dramedy comedy or tragedy, depending on the story. Right. They're all just characters but they're, they're the, you know, the bear doesn't actually act like a bear or he'd eat everybody. You know what I mean? They all have these, um, other lives. They, they represent or represent someone constantly going. Oh, I don't know. It kind of sucks, you know, you know, Piglet is afraid of everything, you know, Tigger is just like, I'm happy, what's next. Right. So it's funny to kind of replace COVID with some other thing and see if it still works. What is that? Well, I feel so bad because your ideas were so great about what is it, it's just a hat. A hat? Oh, it's the hat that you throw money in. Uh, I, I got that. Exactly. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah, just a thank you. And now it's a hat. Yeah. Here if you ever really get really curious, you just do this, do what I do. It just says hat and there's an arrow that points to it. Like it's a hat. Um, I had a friend who had for the New York Times. Um The New York Times, I was the art director for the, the, the, the OP ED page for, for, for, for a year. Um back when I was a kid in, in New York. And um I gave a friend of mine the assignment of coming up with an illustration. I thought it was extremely difficult, extremely difficult uh uh a the assignment was to make an image for um global warming. And like the article you read the article and it's about, well, these scientists say this and these scientists say this and these scientists say this and your job as an illustrator, as an artist, as an illuminator, as an author for the OP ED page is not to address the article which is very freeing. You don't have to decorate or address the article. That's why I loved it, right? So he did this thing that was just he sent this thing and I was like, oh my God, they better fucking take this because this is genius. And he, he sent me this, it basically looked like that. Then it said here melted scientist. I thought that was like, so smart, so funny. Like, so ignoring the facts just like just like, like and basically he is the creator was saying I have an opinion. OK? Ignore global warming. But at your peril, right? That's what he was saying. So, so don't be afraid of saying that's a hat. Um Curious. The other details are these people happy or sad? They're just don't care. They just don't, they just, they're just people OK. This oh I tried to, to make it look like a subway station, subway or outdoors or something. Yeah, because that kind of stuff. I'm like, I just wanna take, take my white out and like get rid of all the stuff you don't need. You know, I'm like pare it down, pare it, down, pare it, down, pare it down, you know, even with this, like it's a drawing, it's a drawing of something like what can we do without, how can we simplify this? What can we, you know, I wanna take my knife out and just get, make it sharper and sharper and sharper and sharper. So cool. Cool, cool, cool. Got you take us away. Uh The first one, the first one from 2nd, 2nd 1, the third, the 3rd, 2nd 1. It's a difficult one. So uh it's like not much is going on, but obviously something is going on. I need to understand, uh the first, uh the first thought I have, uh, it's really not that hard. Um Is it like a hard disk that is, do you guys use that? Yeah. Do you, so you, you, you, you're curious, you don't know what this is. Uh, it's like a flash thing, but I'm wondering if I can use like hard disk as a synonym to this thing. Do you use that phrase at all? Like a floppy, um, kind of like a CD or a floppy? Not a CD? Uh, did you mean anything like that hard drive drive, drive? Drive? Yeah. So I read it like that, that it's not exactly a hard drive. So it's really not that hard, but as we say here. Ah. Oh, yeah, it's the mental work I did to get into this. So, you're making, it's a hard drive joke, kind of. Yeah. So, where does that? Where does always the other go? Wow. That's another question. It's gone. That's ok. That's ok. Matthew you, are they gonna be next? Um, you know, II I, I'm sorry. But, you know, it takes a dirty mind to write a clean headline, they say, um, but first, the first thing that I first thought was the case. It is. Yes. The first thing that I thought was, it's really not that hard. But what if, what if it's a virgin and they don't know where to plug it in? You know what I mean? It might be hard for them, they might not understand. Versus the, the, the plugging in part. Well, what's, what's not, how is, how is that always the other, how is that other? So, it's like always there's always something else I have to do. There's always something else I have to understand. But somebody else is telling me that it's easy but it's, it might not necessarily be easy depending on if you are that other person or you're the interesting who owns the hard drive. Interesting. Ok. Sonya. Well, when I first looked at it, it says it's not that hard. So I, I immediately went to hard drive. That's not hard, you know. But then I looked at some more while we're sitting here and it was like a hard drive saying, well, it's not really that hard, you know, like, I have a friend who's a guitar teacher and he tells all his students, like, well, it's not that hard and like your fingertips are bleeding. It's not that like, you know, no big deal. So I, then I got it as like, somebody who's, like, really good at something, but it's being like telling everybody it's like, you know, I'm that guy, you know, not really that hard, you know. Interesting. That's pretty fascinating. Right. What was that? Like, having listened to them, listen to them butcher your beautiful idea. So it's, it's really cool because I never thought about the joke with the hard drive. No, me neither. And it's like a really good joke if you could find it. Yeah. Uh, if you can make it, uh, I was going a completely different direction. Uh, I was just thinking about how, every time I try to plug a flash drive, I do it the other way around. Did you guys all do that? You guys all do that? Yeah, that's so that, that there, that is the sphincter of truth. Does that work for you all? Yes. That's the sphincter of truth. Yes. Now we had this conversation. OK. So every time I do it, I'm like, uh here's the funny thing. What do you do? How does it work? Show me the pantomime how it works. You keep trying. You're like, why wait? Oh OK. Maybe I'll turn it around but you don't just try it and then it doesn't work and turn around and try it. Do you? Something happens between, ah, you go like this a fuck again like you go, right. The whole world is going, right? That's, yeah, it, it's not that hard, you know that a million times. How can I not learn this? It's different on one side if you really look at it but you don't take that time to just do it wrong. No, I have, I have a, I have a port on my computer that's broken because I'm like, no, you're gonna fucking go this way. Right? Um that little moment of like, uh that's the foible, that's the interesting part. That's the other, why do we do that and why human beings do that? That's it. If you can talk about that and if, if you can address that for human beings and point out, hey, and I think that's what this is saying, right? Hey, you're ok. It's not that hard because the amount of anger or frustration you feel is just a microcosm of what's really going on in your life. You know what I mean? You know, in a certain way, it's like the tantrum in the coffee shop, right? If you're getting upset over nothing. So there's something interesting about this. Yes. Um I think there's, there's a bunch of things that I would, that I would wanna, that I would check out here. But um like um is that the right thing is that exactly those exact when you, it comes down to that, choosing those words, are they spelled correctly even? That might be interesting, you know what I mean? Um And the other thing about this is I think that would be interesting depending on uh let's say it's a, let's say it's a massive, let's say it's just a billboard, huge ass poster, right? Uh Huge Jackman poster, huge Jackman poster. Um If it was, if it was a uh uh uh voice balloon, which I think is we love, I love them. I like using them. So I'll go with it and those words were precise. That would be great. But I think the other thing that's going on in here that's misleading is the perspective. Like, I want a big ass poster and they life size Dumb Drive. Right? Because here's, here's the hierarchy again. You read this and you're like, what is that talking about? Who's speaking here? And then you go down and you see the thumb drive and you're like, oh, that's me. Right. It's, you're pegged. You're like, oh, yeah, I did that just this morning, right? I mean, you know what I mean? So that would be interesting because you've got this, like, you know, it looks like, you know, your thumb drive is like this big, you know, thumb drive, crushed my computer. Uh, cool. Yes. Yes. And if you could get there, if you could get to that, to that point, yeah. I think you would be able to, you'd be, you'd be talking to all humanity just to say, and I think we need that conversation. I think I would like that. I'd like, I'd like a series of those saying, you know what you're doing? Great. Awesome. I think that's what Instagram is for right now. People are just like those, all those memes that are like you be you. But the problem is they don't mean anything, right? They're just, it's just words, it's just words called flaccid platitudes, right? I saw one yesterday that said I said, don't give up, but next to it says you matter and the way they placed it word wise, it basically said you don't matter, you give up. I was like, oh God, that's terrible. You're not special. Um OK, you guys, we're gonna talk about this last one. Got you go first. Uh What do you see a bunch of different circles? They're all circles, all different to me. Uh And uh one of them has a, a treasure. OK. Great. That was great. That was a great reading of the hierarchy, right? Number of different circles. I see circles. I see this one and this one has got not only is it centered, which is always important, right? Um Because we know this one is not the key, this one is called out, this is called out. It's got a jewel, I think it's a jewel or something. I don't know what purple jewel is. I don't know what it is. Um And it's centered. So it's important. Now, always the other. What do you think? Uh if uh you didn't find a treasure in one of this hole, try another one, holes. Now you're saying holes, not circles. You said circles. Yeah. Right. Uh Because I see that, that uh stone is like placed inside something and I assume it has a oh, you see, you see the diamond shaped bottom? That would be OK. OK. Rafael. Um So I clearly focus on the, I didn't see a jewel I see just like the square versus the, the circles. And uh what I was seeing is that since the center, since the square is for me, like the main character of this story is like for him, there's always the other, like the rest of the people like he or whatever the square is just focused on being the main character of whatever story they're telling. And there's always a bunch of other people, a bunch of other circles which I like the idea that well, since I'm talking geometry because square is like the, the way to talk about like uh there's a square, they're also square, but I'm the main character and they're all circles and they're boring as circles and the square turns into the not boring. Interesting, interesting. So you're saying once upon a time there was a tiger, right? And now we know we already know that tiger is special. I don't know if it's a good ti or bad or you know like this. But right. So we know, OK, so you're calling out that as something. OK, Sonia. Well, what I see is like, OK, we have a gem and a sea of zero gems. Yeah. So um like you know a gem you would put on a, like a ring or something like that or a necklace but earrings but, but then I'm a bit confused about the other circles because they seem like indifferent. There isn't, I don't know, the emotion is portrayed to them. It was just, I feel like one is portrayed as special and different than the other ones and more, more precious, more important, more um valuable than the other ones. So there's two things going on with the circles or holes. This one's drawn with a thin line, this one's drawn with a fat line that one's filled in, right? So there are variations there also, if we're calling this one out, why is it not just drawn differently? Then why is this one having a whole another metaphor put on it as the, the gem or the stone, right? If we're gonna say once upon a time, there was a tiger but he didn't wanna be a tiger, right? So we're saying there are a bunch of tigers. Oh you're referring to it because that one is a square one versus it not fitting in. I don't know. Well, in essence, it doesn't fit in it. It, it jumps out like a black sheep, you know tiger wearing a hat. Yeah. Yeah. So, but it's also centered as a like it's given importance. Correct. Yeah. Talk to me. So based on that knee jerk, hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't, don't, yeah. Don't talk about what it looks like. Tell me what you wanna say. Um So I was thinking about my mom like when we talk about myself and how I've always felt different from other people, you know, it's like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole is basically what I went with. However, the idea was so many people think, oh you're square, we gotta cut you off and change you to fit into that hole. Um And I was like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to change who I am to fit into some, you know, circle. So removing. So you're saying I am always the other, the other. Yeah. OK. So I am always the other. But there are alternatives as well though because just because I'm a square doesn't mean that I can't find a circle that I could fit through versus some aren't just are not meant for me to fit through. You know, there are, there's going to be doorways or, or pathways for me to go in which I don't have to cut off my corners but I can still fit. OK. These things are, these are um restrictions, right? We're not that that's not how we're made. We're made to be full of energy and to be expressing and to be figuring out for ourselves. So a lot of people um the creativity in us gets, gets, gets bridled, it gets um squashed. Um uh And then when we get a little bit older and we're teens and preteens, then we just wanna fit in. We wanna be like everybody else and we realized that in order to do that, we have to kind of, we have to, in order to become the cliche, we have to kind of cast off parts of ourselves and those parts of ourselves are the creative part, right? The adventurous part, the kind of dangerous parts, the kind of parts that say, hey, look at me, we understand that this is always the other. And then when you said square peg round hole, my, my heart groaned just a little bit. I was like, oh we went from a cliche into a worst school. Um um But that's OK because you know, once upon a time there was a tiger, it's the same thing. Um But I, I totally like now that you are taking it from square peg round hole but making it work but making it, you know, so now what you, what you're telling us is the end of the tiger story, how this tiger was different and how he's affected other people and helped and made made, made, made himself better, made his partnership better, made his work better, made his environment better, right? Made his uni made the universe better, right? Having in a statement like that, that's pretty groovy how we get there. I'm not 100% sure what I don't wanna see is any fucking square pegs round holes, right? I knew you were gonna say no, right? Because because we haven't, it's, it's, that's what my mom can come up with but or your mom did come up with, but like I would argue with my mom, you know, that's why the circles are different sizes. You know, I don't have to. And, and that's why my square peg I made it, it's not really a jewel. It's meant to be like a square thing. I, you know, I think the circles being different sizes is distracting. Right. Because we can't, we, we can't call them one thing. We call them holes. We call them circles. We don't know if they're holes, if they're circles, we don't know why one's filled in or I tried to show depth. That was what I was going for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So awesome. Thanks. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. All of them. Great, great, great, great shit, great shit. Good mistakes, great answers. Um, hi five. Hi five. Hi five. Hi five. Awesome.